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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.26 20:57:00 -
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Quote:The bottom line is that the more information the CSM has, the better advices it can give to CCP.
I might start with the same old tired requests that the community presents every damn year. CSM, **** you and your wh minerals... there I said it.
The CSM is sitting there at a table with CCP suggesting that they overhaul the wrong game elements.
Quote:Zulu said CSM could have a selection of the Little Things backlog, and Soundwave wants the CSM to give him a GÇÿtop 10GÇÖ list drawn from it GÇô i.e. to have the CSM prioritize the items so BFF can get a better feel for what is important to players.
Maybe you should post a thread about this little part, ya know so we know that your not just pulling out of your ass as usual. |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.26 21:05:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
In fact no one has said anywhere that they're being dropped from any Wormholes.. Of course facts don't matter to people who just want to sieze on something - anything - to yell at the CSM about.
And yet it is on the table and being discussed... Ya know, instead of important things.
No one can tell me, you or anyone else how a WH mineral nerf will (noticeably) better industry in Empire or null sec. Go ahead CSM, I dare you to explain it in this thread. |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:01:00 -
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Malcanis I see, the manufacturing "buff" that this idea was included in is not planned.
Everything is fine then!
P.S. I too am looking forward to manufacturing in empire being even more **** then it is now. All hulks to null!! |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.26 23:29:00 -
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^ That may be the best troll post that you have submitted to date Miss Scarlet.  |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.27 01:06:00 -
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Basileus Volkan wrote:Smaller groups being less represented in a democratic system? What madness is this?
I guess you don't remember middle school then do you? I mean, Texas is so big it out votes all the rest of the states in the US by itself!!!! |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.27 13:33:00 -
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I am starting to like this Jenshae Chiroptera guy 
Andski, always good to see goons like you remembering where you came from! Keep up the good work and thx for the drooling masses of completely bias CSM's that we are stuck with! |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.27 19:51:00 -
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Seleene, how about dem Wh minerals?
How did it come up? Do you feel like it is an issue? Are there large mining ops in WH's that are hauling them into empire and hurting the economic ballance? Does a null sec industry "re-ballancing" require such a thing in order to work?
Do you care to comment at all on this subject or pretend like it never existed? Current or not, on the table no or not... it was discussed. Why don't one of you CSM's want to comment on this subject? |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:02:00 -
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Actually...edited for content.
& still poking the CSM's |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.27 20:56:00 -
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Steph Wing... does the below sound good to you?
Quote:it was all done by the rules - unsubbed accounts were resubbed via hours for plex, multiboxers voted with several accounts, single-account dudes voted with their accounts
Sounds like **** to me how about you? Anything but that would be better, ya? |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:03:00 -
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U missed my edit, look again. |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:08:00 -
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You cannot get rid of conflicts of interest, but if the largest alliances can't inflate (and thus manipulate) the vote it helps out allot.
I have 3 accounts, I should be allowed 1 vote. I should not be allowed to inflate a vote 3 fold over people who only have 1 account (the obviousness is obvious) to do so greatly increases the likelihood of manipulation and thus, conflicts of interest. |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:19:00 -
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Where as I am trying to have a conversation with CSM Seleene about how the "WH mineral thing" came into existence. And although he has read my post many many time on this matter, he continually ignores the question.
How do we get CSM's to be candid and open about the ideas that they present? I have no idea... How do we get people to screen through all the crap ideas like "make null sec accessible only through wormholes" and good old time tested ideas like "Fix POS's for god's sake!"
There is no simple answer... say this. We need smart people who are actually playing the game make some decisions.
Everyone has an agenda, it doesn't matter who you are (the CSM's who were voted Via alliance vote inflation especially) IMO, CCP should never have made a CSM, they should have made a special public relations team who's sole purpose was to assess what "Fixes" and "additions" were most desirable by the general community and then ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. |

Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:27:00 -
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Making a generalization of the "largest state" in terms of size, in order to make an metaphorical argument is usually acceptable to people not as anal retentive as you.
It's the size of Texas Mr President! But wait its Spherical! Thus it has far more mass then a "flat" object would and your representation of it's size is epic fail Billy Bob thornton! |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.09.27 21:30:00 -
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Seleene... my question is what made it come up?
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.09.28 14:09:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Steph Wing wrote: That doesn't answer my question. I'll repeat it again so you can take another stab at it:
Split the vote by region? Have CSM positions that reflect the regions of space to try prevent it getting imbalanced in any one direction.
And Then...
Quote:I have 3 accounts, I should be allowed 1 vote. I should not be allowed to inflate a vote 3 fold over people who only have 1 account (the obviousness is obvious) to do so greatly increases the likelihood of manipulation and thus, conflicts of interest.
1 ISP = 1 vote 1 credit card account = 1 vote
Hey look we fixed it! But let me guess... it will "take too much allocation of resources to do and it cannot be a priority?" Well then, why ******* bother having a vote in the first place then? Is it just for show? |

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.10.22 18:19:00 -
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Quote:Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences. Add something new and different (a new kind of wormhole with pie?) to experiement and see what happens..
Don't break what is.
Jesus... best post ever...  I am putting that in my signature until EVE right's itself  Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.10.24 20:13:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:This thread should have died a long time ago. The recent dev blogs coming out have shown that CCP are heading in a direction that I for one like: - implants in pod kill-mails - backending bug reports - focusing on Eve Online over other games
Why you feel the need to bump your terrible thread and sight recent developments as evidence is beyond me.
Maybe he does not have as short of a memory as you choose to have? We have been asking for Implants on KM's for ages, and now suddenly "Poof" instantly there.
Sounds like they could have done this a long long time ago, but were just ignoring the **** out of their player base. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:39:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:This thread should have died a long time ago. The recent dev blogs coming out have shown that CCP are heading in a direction that I for one like: - implants in pod kill-mails - backending bug reports - focusing on Eve Online over other games
Why you feel the need to bump your terrible thread and sight recent developments as evidence is beyond me.
Maybe he does not have as short of a memory as you choose to have? We have been asking for Implants on KM's for ages, and now suddenly "Poof" instantly there. Sounds like they could have done this a long long time ago, but were just ignoring the **** out of their player base. Let me sort this out step by step: 1. Random WH/High Sec guy starts thread claiming that goons are in control of too much. 2. Thread grinds on with Op looking sillier and sillier. 3. CCP change direction to do things lots of players want. 4. Op bumps thread saying: see I told you so! I told you so! 5. I pass comment that thread should have died ages ago and that the changes in CCP have nothing to do with this terrible excuse for a thread. 6. You claim my memory is short cause "we have been asking for implants on KM's for ages'... Way to take something out of context then jump to a stupid conclusion.
Such a poor and small little mind. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:02:00 -
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CCP seems to be nerfing anything CSM related at this point. Interesting...
This thread made 14 pages without getting moved, and yet now it gets moved without any reason given. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:17:00 -
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Quote:The result is the current CSM before you. The fact that NullSec pilots have more organization than HighSec pilots should not be an excuse to arbitrarily change the system. Find a candidate, get organized, and push for him/her to get elected.
You are thinking through game logic, you have to instead think in business logic. It does not matter what is fair, logical or what makes sense, from a money making standpoint all of the unorganized Carebears in Empire contribute GREATLY to keeping tranquility plugged in.
If empire dwellers never vote, even though they were given every chance to... & they get frustrated and stop playing... all of EVE suffers and dies.
This is a business not a "game" about spaceship. Read my sig, it makes far more sense then a voting process that can be so easily manipulated. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:33:00 -
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You don't...
But what you see as disconnect, is actually me looking at it from a purely business perspective. I have been leading corporations and alliances in eve for almost 4 years now. One thing that I noticed a long time ago was it is VERY DIFFICULT to get people to log onto our corporate forums.
They just don't like doing it and damned if I know why...
Also:
1. Only a certain % read the Alliance mails on a regular basis. 2. There are always people who missed that "Wardec Mail" and need to be reminded 3. There are always people asking "what ship should I bring/fit" even though they have been told 50 times.
So you see... EVE is filled with these people. It does not matter what you or anyone else thinks about said individuals, because they are the ones who pay a vast portion of CCP's subscriptions. If you have a large and organized alliance manipulating votes YOU WILL HAVE BIAS towards certain aspects of the game play.
People will notice. They have noticed. They will/have gotten pissed...
Then they leave. CCP will never ever EVER get Empire dwellers into null sec for any reason EVER. If they want their buisness to remain successful they must cater to the casual, non-voting and too complacent to read their EVE Mails (or vote for CSM masses) period and end of discussion.
So how do you collect data from them? well, it it sure as hell is not the CSM. So again, read my sig. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:45:00 -
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Simple answer, yes. CCP wants real life ISK and lots of it... then yes.
EVE must cater to lazy carebears who just want to log on for an hour, make isk and buy toys... and do nothing else. Yes. YES. And what you think does not matter, because this is a business. BUSINESS. Not a real world.
You don't matter and neither do I, only money matters. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:48:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Simple answer, yes. CCP wants real life ISK and lots of it... then yes.
EVE must cater to lazy carebears who just want to log on for an hour, make isk and buy toys... and do nothing else. Yes. YES. And what you think does not matter, because this is a business. BUSINESS. Not a real world. EVE makes money, therefore all aspects of it should be bent on making CCP make more money. **** making the game fun, right? I'm done. I tried folks.
Here is where you fail.... their game play is fun for them. Not you, them.
People like you cannot understand that and that is one of the fundamental flaws of the CSM. Some people like to just run their damn missions, you don't and so you cannot understand that. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:56:00 -
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My point is in my sig and you can't read.
Wouldn't it be funny if a closed minded fool looked just like you, and not the person you were pointing your finger at? Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:04:00 -
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No again, and here is why.
Demographics are gathered everywhere and they work. Scientific methods, employed in a way that is intelligent and comprehensive always yield better results then the flawed Human element. CCP needs to take the bull by the horns and gather real game data and real player opinions and then act upon them, all on their own. A CSM is a shortcut to this goal, and it has not been working since it's inception. Even if the CSM says "CCP ignores us" which they do often enough... it is still not working.
You are also forgetting that Himlar himself complained about the CSM's null sec bias. You are acting like it is coming from me and me alone.
& finally, If CCP felt like they were not getting enough info then they could throw a dog a bone. I bet even a lazy tool will fill out a form for 10M isk  Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:13:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Scientific methods, employed in a way that is intelligent and comprehensive always yield better results then the flawed Human element. CCP needs to take the bull by the horns and gather real game data and real player opinions ROFL I guess I missed that world-changing revolution, though I haven't read the news since Sunday...
You have no idea how much of a pet you are  You are just paying attention to the wrong science.
The Pure Religion ... and I bet you won't watch the whole thing, because you are a sheep. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:20:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:And now they're talking about how they're trying to stop some guy from becoming a homosexual.
My god, this is useful stuff!
You are somehow harping an all the useless stuff and missing the part about controls on a free market democracy do to general human irrationality.. You people have some kind of brain damage. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:21:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You have no idea how much of a pet you are  You are just paying attention to the wrong science. So you make an absolutely false and outrageous claim about the scientific gathering, amalgamation, and actioning of collective human opinion, and then defend that claim with a youtube link? Well that's the end of your little farcical crusade.
Hey look someone is giving his opinion without statistics or demographics to support said opinion. Winning!
Underlined text for good measure to. 
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:22:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You are also forgetting that Himlar himself complained about the CSM's null sec bias No he didn't. The actual quote was about him hearing from some players that they were concerned about the CSM having a null sec bias. He didn't say he agreed with them.
You are right. He said "we will keep them until the end of the year" suggesting.... take a guess 
So he put some stock in the opinion of the people who were saying so, or it would not have been worth mentioning. I am on a roll here \0/ 0// \\0 WEEEEE!!! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:26:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You are somehow harping an all the useless stuff and missing the part about controls on a free market democracy do to general human irrationality.. You people have some kind of brain damage. So, pray tell, how does all this tie in to EVE then?
It does not at all, it is only in reference to Elise DarkStar's comment in post 300. Everyone else assumed it was related to this discussion.
& he did not watch the whole thing, he just underlined text instead. Kudos to you for watching some  Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:33:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Hey look someone is giving his opinion without statistics or demographics to support said opinion. Must be pretty embarrassing to go through all this trouble only to have it all overthrown by one simple question.
Not really, I like putting self-proclaiming debate team champions such as yourself into a heated fluster.
Why don't you get back to me when YOU can prove how statistical gathering and demographics do not perform their intended role. See I even underlined that word for you 
@Skunk Gracklaw
I like the part where you didn't not infer anything from "keep until the end of the year" after they fired 20% of their real-life labor force. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:41:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Not really I like putting self-proclaiming debate team champions such as yourself into a heated fluster.
Why don't you get back to me when YOU can prove how statistical gathering and demographics do not perform their intended role. See I even underlined that word for you [;) I'm not upset in the slightest. You've made the claims and you're making substantial suggestions about how people should act based on the validity of those claims. The burden is entirely on you to offer even an ounce of support for your claims. I'm quite satisfied that anyone who can follow a line of conversation can now see that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, thereby making all your previous and following keyboard hammering completely worthless.
Oh snap he used the good old "The burden is entirely on you to offer even an ounce of support for your claims."
O.k. buddy, you tell me what my claim is exactly and I will respond, because you are putting words in my mouth and inferring (either intentionally or unintentionally) meaning that is not there. Come get some!
...and don't get angry... Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:46:00 -
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Elise DarkStar wrote:And now you've devolved from avoiding the issue right down to not even making sense.
Can't make a case for yourself then... next! Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:49:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:A) When some of the major problems with EVE cannot be summed up in a simple survey questionnaire.
B) When you have no one available to sift through said data and tell CCP whats what (huh almost sounds like the CSM huh?)
C) When evidently 80% of the playerbase can't be arsed to fill it out despite claiming the world is out to get them.
If such a system was viable it would have been implemented already.
And most importantly, said system lacks a "No CCP don't do this" feature.
Honestly this thread did get me thinking, and I'll probably through up a post about it in the near future. I don't expect it to amount to anything of course, but the alternative is remaining silent.
For now, I will just say that dating sites do it all the time. Your thinking a little too linear in terms of check A,B,C,D
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:24:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Your defense is you have no logical argument .. So no one can make a counterpoint to it.. Therefore you win. :facepalm:
And dating sites hire people to sift through said data while also using a rather mundane matchmaker :P
Simply saying said thing does not make said thing true. Also: no not really about the dating site thing, at least not all of them anyway. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:37:00 -
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Quote:You'll never admit it but Mittens is the best player advocate you have and all of you calling for him to be kicked off the CSM because he likes to blow up miners or you just hate goons in general are idiots.
I think you are too in love with the goon hate to see anything but that in every post  I get just a sick of hearing it from the Goon(dot) Pubbies as I do from everyone else.
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Eternum Praetorian
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Posted - 2011.10.26 17:30:00 -
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Quote:This is a business not a "game" about spaceship
Whatever makes more money wins.
The optimum business model is to keep the people in empire happy and the people in null sec happy. To produce mindless carebears that do nothing but pile up ISK and idiot Nullbears who do the same thing in 0.0, flying in massive fleets like sheep, thinking that they are better because they do.
More subscriptions! Down with the "EVE Faith Religion!"
Grow up tools and get a life outside of this MMO. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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